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breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old missouri girl has a play date, walks home, still daylight. only about 1,000 feet. never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. murder suspect tonight in custody. not a registered sex offender or a parolee. it's a 15-year-old girl. we confirm suspect is the big sister of elizabeth's little
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playmate. bombshell tonight. youtube and twitter uncover a previously well-hidden dark side to the 15-year-old accused child killer. listed hobby on her youtube profile? "killing and cutting." repeat. "killing and cutting." that's her hobby. this along with freakish video of suspect electrocuting herself and her little brothers on an electric fence. we have the video. >> stunning developments today in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. social networking sites are allegedly painting a dark portrait of the 15-year-old teen girl accused of murdering elizabeth olten. ♪ >> ah! >> the teen suspect's alleged
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youtube profile page lists her hobbies, including cutting and killing people. the youtube page also contains disturbing video allegedly showing the teen girl suspect giving herself shocks from an electrified fence on purpose, for fun. >> to kill for sport. she killed for a thrill. she's a cold-blooded psychopath. no remorse, no guilt. maybe she's watched one too many slasher films and says that's the kind of thing i want to do because that will give me the fun which i don't get out of normal teen activities. >> she will remain at the youth detention center until the hearing that will determine if she'll be tried as an adult or not. and breaking news. live, ohio. cops raid the home of convicted rapist back on the streets. accused of yet another sex attack. once inside his three-story cleveland home seasoned detectives stunned to find women's bodies hidden throughout the home. bodies on every floor of the home.
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even stuffed in the crawl spaces. unsuspecting neighbors in shock over a killer living amongst them. >> right now six bodies recovered from a house of horror. the stench of death so strong. neighbors gagged whenever they went past this house. now we're finding out the guy who lives there is a convicted rapist. why didn't anyone notice? >> we've taken a confirmed three bodies out of the home. we've now with the assistance of the coroner's office removed what we believe are the remains of three additional victims. >> 50-year-old suspect, his name is anthony sowell, he served 15 years for rape before moving into that house in 2005. >> police found the bodies during an investigation into separate rape allegations. a woman said he attacked her in that house september 22nd. >> what investigators did was they called in the coroner's office. the coroner brought in a cadaver dog. the cadaver dog was able to go through the residence and to be able to find bodies in the crawlspace and shallow graves outside the home.
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and also just laying about. >> the coroner says it could take days, even weeks to i.d. the bodies. at least five of them were apparently strangled. and the sixth body is too decomposed to make a determination. >> bodies may have been there for weeks, months, possibly years. >> what we're seeing is these men that are on the sexual registry are continuing to abuse. i mean, this is a violent rapist. and he clearly is a sociopathic serial killer. also tonight, live, the florida panhandle, a newborn baby girl vanishes without a trace from her own home, halloween. tonight, who took baby shannon? >> investigators in the panhandle of florida need your help. they're looking for a 7-month-old girl who disappeared
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and may be in danger. >> breaking news. a florida missing child alert has been activated for 7-month-old baby girl shannon lee diedrick. police say shannon is believed to have gone missing between 3:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. saturday. shannon's parents say she was taken from their own home. >> sheriffs said nothing indicates she was abducted. but he also said she "didn't crawl or walk away." >> volunteers have come out to assist police. they've gone through, scoured wooded areas, cold through dumpsters. they've looked behind buildings, they've done everything to try to find this child. and unfortunately, she's not been found. >> investigators attack the immediate area with search teams and canine units, finding nothing. searches continue. just how did a 7-month-old baby girl simply disappear? >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl has a play date, walks home, still daylight, only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home.
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tonight, the search for 9-year-old elizabeth comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just house as way from her own home. murder suspect in custody. it's a 15-year-old girl. bombshell tonight. youtube and twitter uncover a previously well-hidden dark side to the 15-year-old accused child killer. listed hobby on her youtube profile? her hobbies are killing and cutting. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, found murdered after vanishing while walking a quarter mile home from a friend's house. >> the olten family knows this 15-year-old girl. >> the children played together. yes. >> her youtube profile and twitter page giving insight into the mind of the 15-year-old female murder suspect. a youtube page, allegedly from the 15-year-old female suspect,
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show her hobbies, including killing people and cutting. not only that, but a twitter page allegedly from the teen girl suspect contains disturbing quotes, including discussions of addiction and terrors. >> this is somebody who has an anti-social personality. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the kinds of things you that think a teenager would be doing. >> will this 15-year-old girl face adult trial on an adult crime? that crime, allegedly premeditated, planned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's playmate. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director with krcg. ladd, i'm stunned that i -- we have to find out more about this girl through youtube and twitter? what do we learn, ladd? >> well, nancy, the blogosphere is quite ahead of what the
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media's actually reporting just in what is being blogged about. and people came across her twitter page and also her youtube page. and twitter, it's now all been erased. maybe her attorney or her family was able to log in and erase those. but before they were erased -- >> i got it. i've got it the twitter and the youtube. and let me tell you, it's sick, weird, and twisted. go ahead. >> yes. and as well, we were able to print it out before it was deleted. now, she only tweeted around 13 times, and they, you know, cite some poets but also you could describe it as dark. she discusses addiction, terrors. she says she feels like she's in a cage and buried. but nothing -- you know, determining what is actually normal for teens. but it is definitely -- >> what is normal for teens? are you kidding me? what is normal for teens?
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describing as -- yourself as being buried in flesh above ground? i'm not a shrink. i'm not an m.d. i'm just a j.d. but i can tell you this much, ladd egan. that's not normal. let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, veteran prosecutor specializing in crimes on women and children, has prosecuted many death penalty cases, eleanor odum out of the atlanta jurisdiction. also out of atlanta, defense attorney peter odom. out of new york, defense attorney renowned in his jurisdiction, alex sanchez. okay. eleanor, give me best case scenario. as the prosecutor could i get this into evidence? this 15-year-old girl, if she's going to be treated like an adult, and we learned today that that decision will be held in open court, that's right, we'll be able to get into the courtroom and see what this girl is all about. can i get in the youtube and
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twitter if i can establish she actually posted it? eleanor. >> yes, you can, nancy. that's a simple evidentiary issue. you can get it in. it shows her state of mind. i think it's great for the prosecution. >> okay. peter odom, how do you plan if you're the defense attorney to keep this out? her hobbies are killing and cutting people. >> well, first of all, we want to see the whole thing. but we can't use this -- >> we want to see everything. not just little snippets that paint her as a bad person. >> be careful what you ask for. you will surely get it. i can't even report it all on air. okay? i've got it all right here. i can't report it all on air. >> what's not allowed is to try and just portray her as a bad person. if it's relevant to -- >> but that's what it shows. >> if that's what it shows, it's not admissible for that purpose. it's only admissible to show potentially her purpose if she's charged with first-degree murder but not just to portray her as a sick individual. >> alex sanchez, what about video that we have?
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let's show that, rosie. of her electrocuting not only herself but her little brothers on an electrical fence. this is from you tooub. go ahead, alex. >> this may surprise you, nancy, but all this information you're talking about may actually be more helpful to the defense than it is to the prosecution. because if there's any type of mental defect defense then you're going to want to introduce this type of evidence before the jury, to establish that she's a very disturbed, seriously sick individual and should not be held accountable to the same degree as somebody else. >> okay. to you, cheryl mccollum, crime analyst, director of cold case squad pine lake pd. cheryl, you're seeing this video that she apparently set to music where she electrocutes not only herself but her little brothers. >> right. >> rosie, let's show some of the killers of the past. you know, if you take a look at many serial killers, you find out that they tortured other
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people, they tortured animals. >> right. >> and here you have her putting her little brothers on an electric fence. >> yeah. bottom line, if this is how they play, i want to see how they fight. >> everybody, we are taking your calls live. out to sharon in alabama. hi, sharon. >> hi, nancy. i've had a problem bothering me from the first time i heard this case. i've heard of many a time on your show that it's so hard to move a dead body. and i'm just having a hard time picturing the 15-year-old girl getting little elizabeth out of the house and taking her that far without some help. >> that's a good question. rupa mikkilineni, exactly how far was the burial spot, or the hiding spot of the body from the home? >> it was only a few hundred feet, nancy. but still, for a 15-year-old girl to carry another girl, 9-year-old girl that far, is pretty difficult to imagine. one theory that we're hearing is that maybe she lured the girl into the woods.
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>> so maybe that is actually the murder scene as well. good point, rupa. we'll all be back live taking your calls. as we go to break, send us your favorite family photos for our upcoming ng family album. go to cnn.com/nancygrace. and everybody, at your request, here are the halloween photos of the twins. here's little lucy as a pirate and john david as a fireman. and he's holding his little dalmatian dog. he had a fire hat that went with it. we don't know what happened to that. but they happily terrorized the neighbors with lots of tricks on halloween night.
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every night hln's nancy grace brings you the real drama straight from the courtroom. >> every lawyer has a different version of what they would think justice is. >> tnt mondays. "raising the bar" is all new. >> to me justice is a jury rendering a verdict that speaks the truth. >> do you trust him?
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because that's what this cause comes down to. >> stephen bochco's "raising the bar" mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and pick up nancy's new book, "the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. is it rolling? >> yes. >> okay. i would like to grab the fence with my hands. ♪ ah! >> the teen girl suspect's alleged youtube profile page lists her hobbies, including cutting and killing people. several messages from what was allegedly the teen's twitter page discusses topics such as addiction and terrors. those alleged messages have since been erased from the
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website. >> a 15-year-old committed the offense of murder in the first degree. >> if this crime is premeditated, she's going to be doing some adult time. >> somebody reach inside and you pull your heart out. that's what it's like. >> there is no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client would get a fair trial once this name is released. and the facts of the case are released. >> b.s. even o.j. simpson got a fair trial and was aquited in double murder. don't crank up that same old verse, second verse same as the first, we can't get a fair trial. this case is highly disturbing. a beautiful 9-year-old little girl in her own neighborhood goes to a playmate's house. she is murdered. never makes it home the 1,000 feet. broad daylight. behind bars, awaiting trial, not
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some convicted killer. not a sex offender. not an escapee or parolee. a 15-year-old girl. and tonight, her postings on youtube and twitter reveal a previously hidden dark side. we are taking your calls. to ann marie, illinois. hi, ann marie. >> caller: hi, nancy. the twins are growing up so much, and i want to -- >> can you believe it? >> caller: it's crazy. "the eleventh victim" is fabulous, and everybody needs to go buy that book. >> they're turning 2 on wednesday. >> caller: didn't close it. it was fabulous. nancy, my question is this. with the twitter page and the youtube video people that potentially followed her on twitter, did anybody not find this alarming and maybe tell their parents -- >> good question. pat brown, criminal profiler, what about ann marie in illinois's question? if i saw something like that on youtube or twitter, i would find
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it very disturbing. if i knew it was a minor, i would try to contact their family. >> well, i think ann marie's got a good point. what she's pointing out is we have a very disturbing teenage culture going on here. there's an anti-death culture where people are going on the net, looking at gore, looking at slasher films, going out to see "saw." when i was a teenager i saw "mary popins," "romeo & juliet." but these kids are not seeing that, they're seeing a lot of gore and violence and getting obsessed with it. now, that doesn't make a non-psychopath do hg something like this but it does take a psychopathic person leaned toward violence get justification and say isn't that cool and she gets really into it and nobody calls her on it and -- >> it's almost like she's bragging about it on youtube and twitter. >> absolutely. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. this 15-year-old will be in court in a couple of days to determine whether she will be treated as an adult on this murder charge. everybody, as you know, november, national alzheimer's awareness month. over 5 million in the u.s. live
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the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate on if someone brought it to them or if they found it.
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and he said that note led them to find this juvenile and then it was that juvenile who led them to the body out in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile -- >> straight out to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. ellie, what can you tell me about the upcoming court date? will the cameras be open? typically with juveniles closed courtroom. >> right. well, this is the certification hearing. this juvenile will be certified for trial as an adult if the judge decides to do so. now, the judge has ordered that that hearing will be open to the public. however, he has prohibited either video or still cameras from that hearing. >> now, ellie, we talked about this earlier. the supreme court had a recent -- well, in the last five years, i believe, ruling that no longer in this country in any jurisdiction if you're under 18 are you death penalty eligible. now, in missouri, as i recall,
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it's a choice between gas chamber and lethal injection. >> that's right. >> that's quite a choice. but she won't face that, even if convicted. now, ellie, try to boil it down for me. if a juvenile is treated as an adult, if she gets life without parole, is there a chance when she turns 21 that she could walk free? yes/no? >> there is a chance, yes. >> okay. jeff gardere, psychologist, author of "love prescription," jeff, we need a shrink. weigh in. she's 15. have you seen these youtube and twitter sightings, her hobbies are cutting and killing? help me, jeff. >> yeah, i think when we look at this issue of cutting and killing i think perhaps she is probably cutting herself, killing animals. these are all of what we see being a sociopath or even a psychopath. i would say that something has happened. now, she's not the victim here. the real victim is elizabeth olten. but i would think --
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>> the only victim -- >> right. but something has happened to this young girl. we need to know more about her family. >> why? unless she is certifiably and legally insane why do i care? are you trying to somehow create a defense for her? >> because she's a product of her environment. >> so? >> we need to find out where it comes from. >> but why? why do i need to know that, eleanor? >> you don't need to know that. all you need to know is that she did it and she needs to suffer the consequences.
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grieving families are now joining cops outside a convicted rapist's home in cleveland, ohio. police say they could smell death just 15 feet from the door. six bodies scattered all over the home. >> the coroner says it could take days, possibly weeks to identify the bodies. at least five of them apparently were strangled. the sixth body is too decomposed to know how that person was killed. >> the 50-year-old suspect, anthony sowell, he served 15 years for rape before moving into the house in 2005.
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>> according to investigators, he was actually walking down the street when he was looking rather suspicious. he was wrapped sort of in a hood, and there was a gentleman who was driving by and noticed him. >> he looked at me real hard. and i had a chance, you know, to look at him real hard. i said that look like the dude that the police is looking for. >> once a violent sex offender, serial murderer, you know, he's not going to stop. so we have to look everywhere. six bodies in his own home. and here's somebody that would go on doing this from here to eternity if unchecked. >> i don't believe these individuals can be rehabilitated at all. i mean, i think we need to wake up as a society and they need to be put away for life. >> in the last half hour the suspect has been arrested in the fourth district and has been confirmed. a citizen came into the 4th district police station, stated that they saw the suspect on a street called manor.
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zone car responded to the area, located the suspect on mount vernon, placed him under arrest without any problems. he was taken into the district, fingerprinted and identified, and stated that he was the suspect. >> this man was living in his three-story home with multiple dead bodies. seasoned detectives go in, and they're going in -- he's a convicted rapist. they go in to arrest him on another rape that he allegedly did after he got out of his 15 years behind bars, and they find -- instead of finding him there they find half a dozen at least dead bodies. dead bodies on every level of the home, including stuffed in the crawlspace. my prediction? there will be more. out to ken robinson with wtam 1100. ken, what happened? >> well, anthony sowell, a known
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sex offender who spent 15 years in prison, he was released in 2005, he served the maximum amount of time -- >> whoa. whoa. mr. robinson, hold on. >> yes. >> the man gets out in 2005. >> that's right. >> and in that space of time we already have half a dozen dead women in his home that we know of? and i'm predicting there's going to be more. he's done all that since 2005? >> since 2005. we're not sure when the alleged killing spree actually started. but he's been out of prison since 2005. he served his time. he served his maximum time -- >> that's four years. >> mm-hmm. >> in four years we've got at least six dead bodies. and once they start excavating that back yard, ken robinson, the lord in heaven only knows what we're going to find. i didn't mean to interrupt you. go ahead, ken. >> well, i was just going to jump in and say today cleveland police started going --
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searching abandoned homes. this is a very depressed area. there's a lot of abandoned homes in the area. they started going inside homes, looking to see if the suspect left any evidence there or any other bodies there. so this probe may be expanding. >> with me ken robinson from cleveland, joining us from wtam 1100 a.m. lieutenant thomas stacco joining us, special guest joining us from cleveland. he is the p.i.o. with the cleveland police department. lieutenant, thank you for being with us. do we have any idea, lieutenant, who are these victims? >> well, we're working right now with the county coroner's office to identify the victims. we've asked people in the community to come forward with any information on missing persons. we've dedicated a number of our detectives at the fort district about a mile from where these bodies were found to take reports of missing persons. we're asking the public to come
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forward with identifying information, photos, biographical information. our detectives are interviewing those people and turning over our findings to the coroner's office. >> and i disagree with that banner you're seeing on the lower third. six missing women found dead. there's going to be more. there are going to be more than six women. out to ellie jostad, joining us. what was his m.o. that we know of? because in this case we actually have victims who lived to tell the tale, the women that he raped in the past and the woman he allegedly raped in september, which leads me to another question, ellie. he rapes her allegedly in september. why are police just going into his home in november? >> yeah. we don't know the answer to that question, nancy. but what we do know is that rape he was convicted of, this 1990 rape, the m.o. there, he lures this 21-year-old woman into his house to have a drink with him. she says that after they're in there he becomes angry, he
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pushes her in the face, he begins strangling her with a cord, he rapes her. now, she managed to get away. there's another woman in the september rape who describes a very similar m.o. she runs into him on the street, he invites her to come drink with him. she says no, thank you. he punches her then, drags her back to the house. same thing, strangles and then allegedly rapes her. >> with me tonight, dr. howard oliver, joining us out of l.a. former deputy medical examiner, forensic pathologist. dr. oliver, thank you for being with us. doctor, assuming -- let's just assume the worst case scenario, that these bodies have been degenerating for the past four years. now, i don't believe that because there's a stench and if they were that long dead the stench would be gone by now. i'm guessing. but let's just say they're four years old. i've had a case -- i've had cases where bodies had been found a couple years later, and we had to use an artist
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reconstructionist to try and show the jury what the victim would have looked like in life. if these women have been dead four years, can we get a facial i.d. on them? is that possible? >> yes, it's definitely possible. most of the information you'd get with a body that deteriorated and that old would come from a forensic anthropologist. but you could, using anthropology, get a pretty good idea of what this person looked like. >> you're taking a look at some notorious serial killers. jeff dahmer. there you're seeing john wayne basy, the clown killer. there's dahmer. there's ed gean. aileen wuornos. gaen was infamous. wuornos killed a dozen men. then you've got the btk. the guy that worked at the dog pound. ted bundy of course the smooth-talking handsome killer. there's david berkowitz.
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they all have a lot of things in common. and this guy we're talking about tonight fits into that category. out to the lines. rebecca in louisiana. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: well, i want to know what is it that they didn't have him on parole or anything, they just let him go? >> good question. and hello to all of our cajun friends joining us tonight. back to ken robinson, wtam 1100. why was he out walking the street -- it's my understanding that law enforcement had been to his home to check up on him many times but they didn't have a warrant to go in. couldn't they smell what was inside? >> i guess there's two parts to that. two answers to that question. number one, he was out -- >> six dead women. >> six dead women. he was out because he served his 15 years and police could not go inside his home without a warrant, you know, for arrest or a warrant to search. so he complied with all the
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requirements that he was required to do, register as a sexual offender, notify police every 90 days of his whereabouts, and police would come and check on him, and yes, he would be at his home. >> well, there goes his insanity defense because scrupulously adhere to the rules given to him. everybody, we're taking your calls live. seasoned detectives go into a three-story home, cleveland area, to find at least six dead bodies, all women. and we are predicting more. one of the most prolific serial killers of our times. very quickly to tonight's safety tips. you and your children, easy targets, shopping at grocery stores, strip malls, and malls. here are tips to avoid being targets. keep your eye on your children at all times, number one. don't leave them unattended in shopping carts, even just to go to the next aisle. be mindful of your pocketbook. don't leave it open. don't carry large amounts of cash. stay focused. stay off your cell phone. i know it's tempting.
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but it is a distraction. carry self-defense products like pepper spray. try your best to shop in daylight hours. i know that's hard. remember where you parked. even if you have to write it down on your parking ticket or on your checkbook like i have to do. and have your keys out when you go back to your car. children should know how to alert an e separated from you. for more information go to fbi.gov.
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a 7-month-old baby girl is missing, and her parents say she vanished from her own home. police desperately searching for shannon lee diedrick. a florida child missing alert initiated. local, county, and state investigators converge on the scene. breaking news. just moments ago cops say they've identified a person of interest but won't reveal who. why? reports the parents' home still sealed by deputies looking for valuable evidence. >> investigators in the panhandle of florida need your help. they're looking for a 7-month-old girl who disappeared and may be in danger. the washington county sheriff's
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department says shannon leah diedrick vanished from her home on saturday and a statewide alert was issued yesterday. her parents reported her missing. the sheriff said nothing indicates she was abducted. but he also said she didn't "crawl or walk away." the girl is two feet tall, weighs 11 pounds and has brown hair and, as you can see, blue eyes. >> the child obviously did not walk or crawl out of the home. that's why i don't understand why the police are saying there's no foul play. you have a 7-month-old baby lying there asleep in the home. this is on halloween. now she's gone. look at this little baby. joining us, jay fellsberg, managing editor washington county news, joining us from florida. jay, what happened? >> well, as near as we can tell, from the amount of information that the sheriff's office has has released, the parents woke up at about 11:00 on saturday morning. and found the baby missing.
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by 11:23 they had contacted law enforcement, which in this case was the washington county sheriff's office. the home they live in is on brown street, and just outside the city limits of chipley. so it came under county jurisdiction. >> hold on. jay, let me stop you right there. with me jay felsberg, washington county news. have the parents taken polygraphs? >> not that i'm aware of. the -- >> jay, was there -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> that question was asked at a press conference this afternoon, and the sheriff declined to comment on the details of the investigation. >> okay. i don't like it. number two, was there any forced entry on the home? door, pride window, any mark? >> again, nothing was released at the press conference. i've gone out to the house. i didn't see any signs of forced entry personally. >> have the parents, jay felsberg, made any public pleas for the return of their little girl? >> none whatsoever. the sheriff said at the press conference he was acting as
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their agent and requesting assistance on their behalf. >> have they been on the press at all? >> no. >> what more can you tell me, jay? >> well, at the present time there's over 70 volunteers, officers and firefighters searching. they'll probably cut it off at dusk. they'll be resuming it again in the morning. they started out in an area right behind the house, a wood area. and they have continued to expand the search. so far no signs of anything. nothing really found by the special scent dogs or other search dogs or other searchers. >> jay, it doesn't look good at all. >> no, it does not. >> jay felsberg joining me. clark goldband, what can you tell me? >> investigators have a broad timeline they're working with here and it's because according to reports the parents went to sleep around 3:00 a.m. and didn't wake up until about 1 1:0 a. a.m., when they called law enforcement. it's about an eight-hour time window and it's not exactly clear when shannon was exactly taken. >> wait a minute, they're trying
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to tell me that a seven-month-old baby sleeps through the night? wait, clark, that's directed to you. i know you don't have any children, clark. but that's their story? they didn't wake up all night long? now i'm really having a hard time with this. >> according to reports, they woke up 11:00 a.m., noticed the child was gone, and called the cops. >> why were they awake at 3:00 a.m.? what were they doing at 3:00 a.m.? >> we don't know. >> what do you know, jay felsberg, why were they up at 3:00 a.m.? >> that's a good question. and once again, that information has not been released. and there were a number of questions asked at the news conference. sheriff haddock was very circumspect about providing any details of the investigation because he says basically because it's under way. >> jay, do they have -- does the little girl have any siblings? shannon leah dedrick. seven months. she's only 11 pounds. look at her. any siblings? >> not that we're aware of. >> so this is the only baby in the home. is this the mother's first baby? >> correct. >> we're taking your calls live. out to laurie in new york.
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hi, laurie. >> caller: hi, nancy. hi, eleanor. it's nice to see you back. >> you know, let's take a look at eleanor right now, everybody. eleanor odum is back with us. just a very few brief days after her marriage, beautiful, beautiful marriage. she feels bad when she's working out in the morning, goes to have her heart checked out, does a stress test. they don't let her go home. she has just survived open heart surgery. and you look great. >> thank you. thanks, everyone, for your prayers. >> okay, laurie. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i have a question in two parts. the baby, does it -- does she have any health problems? i know she's 7 months, but only 11 pounds. and has the cops tested to see if any of the parents are having extramarital affairs and maybe they can be suspects as well? >> good question, lori in new york. i'm trying to think back.
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little lucy was born at only two pounds. and i can't remember how long it took her to get to 11 pounds. clark goldband, what do we know? >> an aunt has spoken out in the press, nancy, saying that in fact shannon has a larger than average head size and this is something her mom apparently passed down to her. so the aunt is saying that it will be quite -- >> she doesn't look unusual to me. just looks like a regular basy to me. all babies' heads look big, clark. >> well, this is what the aunt has said in press reports. and the aunt is also saying that this should make it easier to identify her if you see shannon. >> she looks like a little angel. >> okay. to the lawyers. eleanor odum, peter odom, alex sanchez. alex, weigh in. what do you i? >> before you mentioned that you didn't think the police mentioned there was foul play. i think they are alleging foul play. they seem to be pointing fingers directly at the parents because if you say the kid did not get up and walk away by himself and that there was no evidence of any i think breaking in, you know, what are you saying? so i think they're focusing -- >> i'm saying the facts that i
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know. peter odom, weigh in. >> well, let me tell you, nancy, the police are being very circumspect about this but they're probably letting the parents lay low and maybe seeing if they'll make a wrong move. a technique. >> eleanor? >> i would actually agree with that, nancy, and i think it's real important to look at the people who are closest to the child first. the parents who never had access. >> everybody, quick break. happy birthday to indiana friend lakisha, mom of a 15-month-old baby girl and never misses our show. loves going to church and wants to be a correctional officer. happy birthday, beautiful lakis lakisha. happy 70th to arizona friends, twin sisters, emily and eileen. eileen was a flight nurse and air force captain for 20 years including vietnam. she loves antiques, her twin, emily, the first female commercial airline pilot and captain in the country. they're best friends and after years apart, now love living
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near each other, green valley. happy birthday, emily and eileen. tonight, thank you, verizon, for supporting the atlanta victim and witnesses assistance program. supporting victims in every way as they make a traumatic and sometimes painful journey in the judicial system. the program established in atlanta when i was still a prosecutor and still going strong. verizon, thank you.
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an intense search right now for a 7-month-old baby in northwest florida. this case is baffling. shannon debt rick was reported missing by her parents halloween day. cops say this does not appear to be a kidnapping. >> we're appealing to the public in this area, brown street, win street, they seen any suspicious activity or someone carrying a baby, that they would give us a call. >> welcome back. this little 7-month-old baby allegedly taken out of the home. although police are saying no
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foul play. denise, alabama, hi, denise. >> caller: hey, nancy grace, i love your show. >> thank you for calling in, dear, what's your question? >> caller: there was no forced entry in the house? >> not that we know of. go ahead with your question, dear. >> caller: the parents went to bed at 3:00. what time did they put the baby down? >> that's what i want to know. mine are almost 2 and i go in there at 2:30 and they're in their cribs going, hey, let's play, hey, mommy. clark, it's not fitting together for me. this is a cursory hearing of the story. we're just getting into it. they say they go to bed at 3:00 a.m. even if they were awake until 3:00 with the baby, i've never known of a baby that would sleep until 11:00, 11:30 the next morning. babies don't sleep in. >> there are so many questions we're trying to get answers to, nancy. law enforcement is extremely tight lipped. there have been reports mom was down at the police station
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talking with them today, voluntarily. >> okay. jay felsburg, 30 seconds left. why are police being so tight-lipped? >> that's a good question, nancy. they -- i don't know what kind of evidence they have. in fact, nobody knows what kinds of evidence they have because they've been circumspect about releasing it. at the moment, i wouldn't care to speculate, but i would say they're obviously conducting this intensive investigation as they can. >> everybody, shannon leah detric, two feet tall, only 11 pounds. 854-638-6111. let's stop remember navy s.e.a.l. lieutenant michael murphy. penn state grad. turned down law school to enlist. awarded purple hard, medal of honor, country's highest award. lost lives saving fellow s.e.a.l.s under heavy fire. crawled on to a ridgeline to
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radio hq for help. loved hockey, reading, favorite book, "gates of fire." leaves behind parents dan and marine, brother, john. michael murphy, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us and welcome back, eleanor odom. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern and until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "the joy behar show," rush limbaugh tells fox news president obama's policies are ruining the country. does he have a point? or is he just trying to rile up his ditto heads? then comedian and "sex and the city actor" mario cantone comes by to dish the dirt on delie johnston. joining me in the studio, tv icon ted danson joins me to
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explain why he's the hippest thing since twitter.
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tonight on the joy behar show, the gop turns on one of its own congressional candidates. is the right wing driving the republican party off the cliff? if so, can i watch? in 1982, ted danson was the hippest man on television. today he still might be. how does he do it? he'll be here to tell us all. mario cantone takes a break from "sex and the city" to join me in the studio, all this and more tonight.
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this weekend while most of us were watching the marathon or the series or trick-or-treating with the kids, rush limbaugh went on another rant against the president. listen to this. >> he's very young, i think he's got an out of this world ego, i think he's very narcissistic, and he's able to focus all attention on him all the time. that description is simply a way to cut through the noise and say he's immature, inexperienced, in over his head. >> with me now, arianna huffington, co-founder and editor and chief of "the huffington post" and katrina vanden heuvel, editor of "the nation." it's unbelievable this guy is talking about narcissism? with such a humble guy, himself. >> unbelievable that fox would put him on for half an hour on a sunday-morning show to basically just rant against the president, against the administration,
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against everything, without really challenging him. that is really -- >> he did not really challenge him. i agree with that. >> this made a softball interview. this is more than a softball interview. chris wallace was, like, lapping up every word. it went unchallenged. you have a guy, rush limbaugh, who, you know, he has a -- he's a bully and has a bully pulpit on his radio show every day. >> right. >> here he is getting half hour on allegedly a news channel and what he had to say was not really new. i mean -- he's out there to kind of cripple, delegitimize, take down the president. this is not new. >> to me he looks like another angry white guy, you know, who's annoyed they're out of power and it's annoying to him. >> what's happening is he's really tapping into the anger that's spreading about what's happening. that's what his danger is. you know, whenever job numbers get where they are now, you know, moving into double-digit
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unemployment and foreclosures are skyrocketing, all that anger is there and if it's not addressed properly it can be addressed and it has been throughout history by demagogues, by people who manipulated and who look for scapegoats. >> he tried to play nice, though, during the interview. listen to this part. >> i'm an american. i love this country. i want everybody in it to do well. >> except gays, single mothers, senior citizens, poor people, and the president. >> this guy -- first of all, he looked a little too quaffed for rush limbaugh. there was a metrosexual quality that worried me. i like metrosexual and he's looking it. rush limbaugh, i mean, he also told lies. i mean, he said at one point, totally unchallenged, that this health care reform is going to take 1/6 of the economy and put it in government hands. >> i know. >> fat-check alert. you might get 6 million people
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in a public option if you're lucky. that's part of the problem of our media generally. >> he should have really checked that. >> his father has to be just wondering the degradation of news embodied in a family. >> it's shock to me chris wallace -- i thought he was, you know, pretty even, fair and balanced. the only one over there. maybe shepard smith maybe. >> allowing him to go on saying that the president doesn't care about afghanistan, that -- all that stuff, you know, it's just over the top. >> he also said, that i hope he fails. i hope he fails. then he says i love america. you know, it's just -- it's quite disgusting. >> he's been saying that for so long, to count that as news -- i mean, we need to hear it again and again to understand that a guy who challenges others as being anti-american is saying some ugly stuff. he's -- the thing that strikes me about this moment and rush limbaugh kind of brings it on to the fox news program, is the republicans who have declared this is all-out war. all-out war on obama. he's leading it. they really do want to take him down.
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one year into -- >> everybody is saying that obama is conducting an all-out war against fox and limbaugh. it's a question of who threw the first grenade. >> i think the obama administration, i mean, challenged what they're doing and now it's time to move on. you know, it's not really a good use of their -- >> axelrod is saying it's a surreal day when you're getting lectures on humility from rush limbaugh. is this a good strategy to attack? >> i don't think so. i think -- there are so many real issues affecting the people that to focus on what fox is doing is really beneath them. and they handled that much better during the campaign, to pick your targets and fox is not a worthy target. >> i agree with arianna. i felt from the beginning when this sort of started that you demean the presidency, let others do it. far outside. and, you know, let -- you know what? focus on ending the jobless figures, getting people jobs,
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jobs, jobs, because then you defang or defuse these guys. it is true fox is not really a news organization. it is an adjunct wing of the gop propaganda arm. at the same time the president should not go into the mud with a network that is essentially filled with people throwing mud. >> he appeals to the very, very extreme base of the republican party, this guy, right? >> who, rush? >> rush limbaugh. okay. and this moderate gop or upstate new york, i can't hardly say her name, scozzafava -- dede scozzafa scozzafava, she was a moderate republican and she's withdrawn from the race. isn't this leaving the mental house, mental patients in charge of the mental -- >> min charge of the asylum? >> thank you for putting words -- i can't get through this. don't you think that's what it is? >> they're paying a heavy price for that. right now according to the latest nbc/"wall street journal" poll, you spr 70% of americans
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who declare themselves republican. mind you -- >> how many? >> 17%. >> 17%. >> it's time to 17%. >> every time i turn on the tv they're saying the liberals are down to 20%. >> well, you see -- >> who is left then? >> liberals are the problem, too, because they are gaining independents. 44% declare themselves as independents. congress, congress approval rating is 21%. maybe that's what you're referring to. there's no question democrats can't just say, look at what's happening to republicans and we are going to be fine in 2010. >> isn't this good for the democrats? that it's marginalized like that? >> first of all, i think of the republican party, people used to call it the log cabin. you have a sliver of the sliver of the log. you know, i have to say, i think it's bad for the country. it's bad for the country because we deserve at least two decent political parties. that have something on their
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minds, that care about an affirmative political agenda. i think they're just -- these republicans who won't allow a moderate republican to get elected in the northeast, they're going to consign themselves to permanent minority status. >> good. >> the republicans -- the moderate republicans -- >> i don't have a problem with that, do you? >> a lot of republicans played a role. they were for choice. they made sense. >> the log cabin republican -- >> what if these people come back into power? >> i think it's pretty much who to declare any kind of victory, because there's still a lot that's going to happen in the next year before the next election. unfortunately, the dissatisfaction that's growing means that any independent, as we're seeing in new jersey -- >> let's talk about that. >> a lot of support. >> what's going to happen over there? let's look at this ad about christie. >> christie threw his weight around as u.s. attorney and got off easy. if you didn't pay your tax,
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ignored ethics laws, would you get away with it? chris christie, one set of rules for himself, another for everyone else. >> okay. threw his weight around. is that a fat joke or what? is it or not? come on. >> definitely a fat joke. >> it's a fat joke? >> definitely a fat joke. >> that's really the whole conversation is about now the fat joke and about him being fat. it doesn't make any sense. >> not necessary. you know what? i don't think he had to go there. >> he didn't have to go there. >> absolutely did not have to go there. >> did he have to go there? >> he didn't have to go there. >> you like corzine, right? >> i like corzine and i think this race shows he is running as close as an obama campaign as -- you know what i mean? we're all talking about referendum, this is going to be a referendum on this. i think the race upstate new york has been a republican seat for, like, 100 years, right? it's going to be a barometer of where the republicans are heading, not a barometer where people are thinking about obama. i think virginia is crazy. the guy is a right winger to the whatever and running as, like, a
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little sheep. you notice palin, they don't want palin in there which is interesting. he's running as a problem solver. new jersey is where corzine, who knows what will happen in new jersey. i think he's run a race where he's bringing out the base, the liberal base, african-american base, labor base. >> rush limbaugh is saying obama will be a one-term president. agree or thisdy gree? >> nobody knows. >> what do you think? >> don't know. depends on how he governs. the point is he -- he wrote a book called "the audacity of hope." david plouffe has a book coming out tomorrow called "the audacity to win" yet they're governing very timidedly. he needs to discover the audacity of governing. >> it's always the alternative, who's the alternative? >> sarah palin. thanks, ladies. up next, ted danson joins me.
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lately i've been going nuts over women's arms. it's really the arm pit. i just love it. it's this other secret place to burrow into. you don't have to slide as far down the bed. maybe it's laziness. >> some solve the more memorable characters include the cranky dr. john becker, skirt chasing bartender sam malone, and boozy magazine publisher, george christopher, as we just saw in that clip from the new hbo series "bored to death" which i love. ted danson.
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happy to have him here with us. >> hello. >> i do like that show very much. >> it's fun. >> it's very funny and it's clever and, you're terrific in it. >> thank you. jonathan ames is the writer and he's a new york novelist and truly a remarkable character. >> i saw him in one of those, you know, trailer things. >> yeah. >> he's kind of like the jason character there. >> yeah. you know, he's incredibly bright. princeton, you know, really, really respected novelist. he's like this -- he has this innocence and you can't be sarcastic around him. it goes over his head. yet, there isn't a proversion he won't jump into, you know, feet first. >> he's a man. >> yeah. that's true. but a sweet, innocent man. is that also dismisbl? >> men and there perversions. i want to show people how we booked you on this show. >> yes. >> larry david was on my show and you called him. take a look.
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we have footage. >> ted danson. >> ted danson? can i speak to him for a second? >> hold on, joy behar wants to talk to you. >> he wants to be on the show, ted danson, he's booked. you're more than a pretty face, ted. >> noohe's not more than a pret face. >> do you remember that conversation? >> i do. i do. that's hysterical. >> we caught that little thing before we went on the air so we used it. funny, huh? >> i wish i brought my phone. i'd call -- >> you could call larry. we'll get you the phone the next segment and you can call larry. larry is in hot water with the catholic league now because of this thing about urinating on the picture of jesus. >> he splashed. he did not urinate on. >> he splashed. that's true. >> an innocent mistake. >> i guess that's an enormous -- people are questioning why there's a picture of jesus in the bathroom?
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>> are you saying you shouldn't have pictures of jesus in every room of your house? i think you can -- no, i don't -- >> you'll get me in your trouble with the catholic league than i am already. >> the catholic league really sit down and watch larry's show every week? >> yes. there's a guy over there, i won't mention his name. he is paid a lot of money to watch the shows. >> to monitor. >> calls you out on it. calls you anti-catholic and other nonsense he comes up with. >> right. >> larry david offends all religions. he doesn't just do ka tholtism. >> he's a car accident waiting to happen. he does it with you in life, too. you've hung with him, i'm sure. it's a scary thing to go out to dinner with him. >> he is. he's not loud about it, but he -- >> larry david in martha's vineyard in a nice little quiet restaurant, blue haired people, comes late to a dinner with myself and several other people. his back is to the entire
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restaurant and he -- thinking he's whispering, tells us why he's late using the "f" word over and over again and we watched the restaurant start to clear behind him. we're having to go, you know, sorry, sorry. as he walks out he says, nice restaurant. little too quiet for jews though. and walks out. >> does he really? >> yes. that's true. that's larry and it's, like, clean up behind him. >> i like the way you play yourself on that show. does he help you to play yourself? >> no. your job on the show is to serve larry up softball so he can whack them out of the park and to push him into being larry. >> yeah. >> to provoke him. i don't know that i'm playing -- exempt that's what i do in life too. i do love to provoke larry. >> i thought you wanted to say you play yourself in life. >> i like to play myself in like. >> that's a good trick. you're getting rave reviews for "bored to death." how did you get that part? i love that show. >> probably damages opened the
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door in a lot of ways. i think people stopped thinking of, oh, there's old sweet sitcom ted when they saw him in the back of an escalade having sex with a hooker doing cocaine and telling somebody on a phone to kill somebody else. >> i love that. >> he can do other things. >> you have a very varied career. i remember something about amelia, which you played a pervert. >> well, incestuous father, i guess that's the same thing. >> yeah. >> okay. >> it's interesting. we were talks about how years ago i guess the '60s or '70s there was a movie about a sexual pervert -- pedophile. after he did the part he never -- i can't remember it right now. you, that did not brother you, didn't touch you. >> that piece was so thoughtful, though. it was one of the first ones that in certain countries parliament was reconvened to pass legislation after they screened that show. >> really?
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>> it was that well -- it was also before anybody talked about those things. such a taboo. >> very well done. you're great at comedy. you have -- you're great at drama. >> i'm good at acting and very funny writing. i done know that i'm a -- i'm not larry david. larry is drop-dead funny. i can be funny with material that's meant to be funny. >> you're a comedic actor, whereas he's a comedian? it's a little different. he has a comedic persona. they always ask actors this question who do both. which is harder, comedy or drama? >> comedy. >> comedy is way harder? >> this is funny, that's not, that's not, that's not. >> crying is hard too. all that stuff that you have to do. digging deep. going down deep. >> makeup, a little squirt in the eye, you cry. no, no, drama, you don't have to be good. you have to show up and many semireal. >> i don't know if i could do
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that. next, ted's secret for maintaining a successful hollywood marriage, coming back. >> athink you did this on purpose. you self-an talked. >> george, are you coming back to bed?
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instead of ordering a ted danson, people go and order a larry david. what's the difference? >> one tastes good and one sucks. >> taste the sandwich. >> i don't want to taste it. >> you don't want to taste it? >> no, i won't taste your sandwich. >> well, that's ted danson and his pal larry david from "curb your enthusiasm." you're married to the beautiful mary. >> once again, mary steenburgen. who loves you. >> didn't i say it right? >> you have the fear thing in the middle of her name which happens -- i see people -- you're married to mary steen --
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>> we don't know if it's burgen or burgen sometimes. beautiful and lovely thing. actress. >> she's a lovely thing. >> most marriages between two performers doesn't always work so great because the egos clash. what is it you do to make a success? >> we're both very shallow. >> you're both shallow. that's good. >> we talk about hair products and are very happy together. >> do you fight over whose hair products are better? >> no. it's the same as any relationship. we have a two-week rule. that's the hardest part in relationships when you go off to morocco to make a film for three months. that's hard. we have a two-week rule. whoever can goes finds the other one, you know, no longer than two-week separation. that's what we started out with. down to about a week now. >> a week? >> wife is drab without my wife. it's true. >> that's delightful.
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really. suspect that nice? say aww. >> i'm just using it to score points. whenever she's mad at me, she says, sure, you say these nice things to me on shows. >> i know. you once said if it were up to you everyone would be in a step -- in a 12-step program. >> what the hell did i mean by that? >> what the hell were you talking about? like everyone's an alcoholic it sounds like. >> yeah, well -- >> like go and let god -- that part maybe. >> that's good, too. >> that's a good one. >> that's good. i don't really know what i meant, but -- interesting. i think it would be good, you know? that's a pretty amazing program. >> now, this is a random question that i have to ask you. >> yeah. >> you appeared on the cover of "playgirl" magazine in the '80s. >> no, i didn't. did i? >> yes, you did. >> i am so cool. >> do you realize that "playg l "playgirl" is a gay magazine? >> that's cool. >> yeah, i'm just saying. i'm glad you -- do you have tips for levi johnston going to be appearing in the centerfold?
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>> no. >> you don't have anything to say. >> how is he -- >> how is he hung? we're going to find out shortly. the gay community is waiting to see it. >> i love my character on "bored to death" actually decided to experiment into bisexuality because he thought it might enhance his women readers if he actually appeared more, you know -- >> that's right. >> -- gay. >> that was a very funny episode. you play a gay guy very well i thought. >> i do, thank you. >> to play that whole thing. you're multi -- you're bisexually fascinating. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> that's good. >> sit tight, because we have more -- >> i will sit tight after that comment.
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i was in your shoes once. i mean, i was young, i had a whirlwind romance and i got married and it turned out to be a disaster. i don't want this to happen to you now. i mean, look at diane and me. we waited five years to get married and if it were up to me, we'd wait another five. >> that was my guest in the role that made him famous, the womanizing sam malone on "cheers." that's a long time ago now. what is that? >> has to be, like, 20 plus. >> you look gorgeous still. you're so hip and stunning still.
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>> i don't know what it. >> are you taking hormones? >> yes. >> let's talk politics. i read that last year you said that you would have done anything in your power to make sure a democrat won. >> yeah. >> how do you think obama's doing? >> i think, you know, how -- to grade any -- i think he's doing incredibly well. i think he's the right person for the job, incredibly bright and thoughtful, but to sit there in this pile of crap the world is facing that has been becoming a pile of crap for a very long time and grade that person as they dig themselves out is kind of crazy. so i think he's doing really well. is there a pile of crap we're still digging out of? yes. >> george bush and that administration left us with a lot of that crap in my opinion. >> my opinion as well. >> we're agreed on that. just yesterday rush limbaugh said obama is very narcissistic and is over his head. what do you think of that? >> rush thinks somebody's
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narcissistic? >> yes, yes, i know, the chutzpa. >> he's a wonderful entertainer, rush. i think that's a very funny comment. well done, rush. >> i don't think he meant it to be funny. >> he is. he does. isn't he one of the highest paid entertainers? >> yes. >> so he's an entertainer. >> i think he's worth, like, going to be making or made $400 million. >> right. so that -- yes. the people of the people, rush, one of us, yeah. those are the people that really piss me off, to be honest. i totally understand people who are angry and are fearful. i understand people who church is a huge part of their life. i understand people not wanting their daughters to watch mtv. i understand and have empathy for all those people. the people that come along and make use of those people's fears and insecurities to make money or to make something, a position for them, you know, more palatable, those people are shame, shame. >> you want to name names?
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>> rush. we're talking rush. >> who else? >> you know what? pretty much the religious right does that. by in large. you know? >> they're extremists? >> yeah. >> they prey on people's fears? >> yeah. the people's fears, you totally understand. i understand that. i understand wanting to go to a megachurch because the rest of your life is tough. you know? i understand all of that, but then you come along and organize those people off of their fears and anger and i think that's too bad. >> and encourage them to vote against their interests. that's what drives me bananas. >> i know. o's going to be able to get the government, what do you call it, within insurance, the government -- >> the public option. >> the public option. right. only people who don't have insurance. >> right. >> so people who don't have insurance would rather not -- >> they don't want it. they don't want to have too much competition for the insurance companies. >> as opposed to getting
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covered. >> people need to be educated more than they are in this country and they're not. i was a teacher. i know what goes on. oh, yes. >> what did you teach? >> i taught english -- high school english. >> nice. >> yeah. so you and your wife, mary, are pals with the clintons. am i right? >> i'm running over everything i said about rush going uh-oh. >> what's he going to do to you? he's all talk, bluster. >> he thinks i'm an idiot already. >> he thinks you're an idiot? >> he thinks everything i do with the environment is idiotic. >> the environment. you want to discuss that a little bit or should we talk about the clintons? >> let's talk about fun things. >> okay. the clintons attended your wedding. >> yes. >> together? >> yes. to explain that, mary became kind of famous in little rock in arkansas about the same time the president became governor or bill became governor. so they literally raised kids together. he gave her away at our wedding because her father had died. they truly are -- we are truly
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family friends. >> you're friends with the clintons? >> yes. >> were they fun guests at the wedding? >> super, yes. >> were they kissy-kissy? >> all of the above. yes. >> do you think that marriage is steady now? >> dear god, yes. >> do you believe that? >> totally. i don't believe it. i experience it. >> you get to a certain age, what am i going to be bothered with anything else right now, you know? i think they might be at that point. >> i -- well, wait. i'm at that certain age. i'm the same age. >> i know, but you're -- >> you're trying to be shocking. >> i am trying to be shocking. what about the statue of bill? he got a statue of kosovo. i thought that was really nice. >> nice. >> because of, you know, he stopped the wave of ethnic cleansing in serbia, or so i read. i think that that's a lovely thing for him. he must be very proud of that. >> i bet he is. i didn't know that. >> i thought he was a pretty good president. >> i think that in the midst of all of that chaos, 72% of the world -- of america woke up and
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thought and believed that he was taking care of them. >> he regrets he didn't go in there earlier. he does. >> yeah yeah. no, no, he does. >> i mean, i think -- we were on a roll with him. we were in a surplus. people were working. then along comes 9/11 and the world changed. >> the world was so on our side. that moment, the world was so on our side and we did kind of squander that. >> we squandered it big time and are still paying for that. you know, they talk about obama not deserving the nobel peace prize. he got us out of that hole where people hated us after george bush's war in iraq and i think he deserves it just for that because he has people -- >> i think they are being activists, too. i think the panel or whoever gives the nobel prize were being activists. they were saying, you know, here, we're going to put the mantle of peace prize on you and almost force the conversation to be about peace. i think they were being activists because clearly after
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six, eight months, or whatever it was, one could argue that, you know, wait, what has he done? so i'm sure it was great for his distracters. i think they were being activists and trying to stir the pot and make peace be the conversation and not war. >> i saw george will on george stephanopoulos this weekend and he was saying, yes, he changed the conversation in the world and now we have people around the world that don't think we're idiots anymore and don't think we're warmongers. what good is it, he said? he thought it was just a big nothing. >> who knows. you know, we judge so quickly, you know, the second after something happens, and who -- you don't know. all these little things have ripples but we don't talk about -- we don't wait for the ripple before we start judging and, you know -- >> right. >> -- and figuring things out. >> you just returned from yump, lobbying for the world trade
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association to save the oceans. >> wto. >> why does it say world trade association if it's wto? >> i don't know. let's get names because it's wto. >> so it's o-association? >> organization. >> or agornization. they do trade agreements. takes them eight years to figure out, you know, if you lower your tariff s on computers we'll gi you more cotton. for the first time ever they're talking about reducing fishing subsidies because fish dr there too many boats out there. it's an $80 billion a year industry. >> $80 billion? >> yep. of landed fish around the world. $20 billion of that is subsidized and for bad subsidies, meaning increasing catch so that you're paying people to go out and do more of the wrong thing. >> and they're depleting the world's supply? >> about 18% of our fisheries have collapsed. 75% the united nations says are
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either fully or overfished. >> there's not going to be anything left to eat soon. >> there can be because fish bounce back. if you do the right thing, it could be okay. >> let me ask you a question from people who wrote in to us about you. okay? >> yes. >> do you still follow a vegan diet? >> i'm an actor from l.a. i follow vegan diet. one week, the next week -- i'm in chinatown eating one of those puffy things with pork in them. i'm a, you know, a clown from l.a. >> i see. everyone in l.a. that i talk to worries about mercury poisoning from fish. only in los angeles. no one in new york. i've never heard it in new york. >> "the new york times" did a study where pregnant women have too much mercury in their system. >> i'm not pregnant. why do i have to worry about it? >> because there's always after this show. i don't know. >> thanks for comes on the show.
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cilantro counteracts mercury. thanks to ted dancen. his show "bored to death" on hbo. next, mario cantone. fasten your seat belts.
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go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. >> oh, i love them all. >> sure. satin with the lace applique. >> i think the white is too white. >> no, but with your skin
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tone -- >> hates it. move on. >> you know him from his appearances on tv, in the movies and on broadway. i know him as the dirty little laugh whore he is. he's performing as the new york comedy festival from thursday through sunday and today sitting here with me, my pal mario cantone. >> hello, joy, i'm only going to look into the camera, not speak to you. >> look over here. >> oh, i'm sorry. how old am i? >> so, i want to talk to you about so many things. >> so many things. first of all, congratulations, this is really nice, it's just ♪ you and me on hln >> let's start with chaz bono. >> chastity bonoo? >> chastity has become chaz. >> did she get the penis? >> i don't know. she has everything else, the beard, hair coming out of her
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face. >> she does? >> yes. she feels like a man and she's a man now. >> she's a man. ♪ she's a man, my daughter's a man ♪ well, that's good that she's ha man. >> cher would be happy, don't you think? >> if cher was in opera, she would be like. ♪ i was devastating when my daughter told me ♪ ♪ then i grew to accept her >> all right. wait. >> that's cher's opera. >> okay. what about lindsay lohan. >> i love -- see, i love lindsay lohan. >> she's cute, nice girl. crazy. >> she's mentioned in the same breath with all those other crazy people because she's actually a very talented actress but has the crazy parents and all that. >> she's saying her father wants
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conservatorship over here. isn't she, like, 40? >> she's young. >> she's too old for her father to have conservativeship over here. >> conservativeship? what the hell does that mean? >> i don't know. >> conservative what? >> he says she should be -- she says he should be behind bars. about her father. she says he -- >> he should be behind bars. no question. you know, he's the reason. it's always the father. >> it's the father. okay. speaking of that, what about -- >> and the mother leaves you in the dust. >> the mother -- >> then you become a comedian and it's all horrible. >> it's never any good. >> look, if you want a close-up, look, it's true. the italians, we do have a little oil coming off of us. >> now, speaking of mothers -- >> mommy. >> -- what about -- what about kate gosselin? >> let me tell you something, joy, i don't care about kate gosselin or her ex-husband, jon, and their 54 kids because i never watched the show. the first time i heard of these
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pe people was on the cover of a magazine. >> he thinks you're hilarious. jon gosselin. >> he does not, you're a lying tramp. you always have been with that door knocker around your cleavage. it looks like a volcano erupted. it's like, oh, lava! >> i'll put out an amber alert. >> i know, my nipples are missing. look, all i know is that i don't know -- i don't care about him. i don't care about him or her and it was very upsetting. i'm dedicated to the "view" and i was doing your show for years. the fact she was co-hosting is upsetting to me. who is she? where is he talent? >> ratings. called ratings. >> i have to lift up my right butt cheek and let some air out. that's all i have to say. >> what the hell are you talking about? >> don't mind me. >> let's talk about what's his
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name, levi johnston. >> i love levi johnston because i know he's a big homophobe. the more i say it, he'll want come kill me with a hockey puck. i can't wait to see you naked. >> does he realize mostly gays read that magazine? >> that's what's hilarious. he's going to have hundreds of homosexuals masterbating to him. that's how retarded he is. the dames are going to love me. i'm sure he doesn't say dames, no one says that since 1927. >> what makes you think he doesn't know? >> he's not an intelligence boy, obvious bli. >> do you believe him when he says sarah palin used to refer to the down syndrome kid as her retarded kid? he said that she said that. >> we, i believe everything revie johnston ever said. >> i thought you just said he's a moron. >> he called me on the phone and
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said i'm doing this for you, mario. i'm doing "playgirl" to you. did she say that? i don't know. >> why did he have to go report that anyway? >> because he's a moron. with a hot pair of packs and a big one. >> okay. who else do we want to talk about? let's talk about you. >> me? >> you. >> one of my favorite subjects. me. >> okay. what about you and jerry getting ma married? >> if it becomes legal in this country -- in this country? in this state. i'm from massachusetts. i could go there. it's not legal here. what's the point? i'm going to go to connecticut and buy a house? that's not going to happen. i don't want to do that. when it becomes legal here i will marry him. >> there was a time when you never believed in any kind of marriage, gay marriage or any -- what made you change your mind? >> i'm older now. >> though you look very youthful. >> what do you mean? i'm going to be 50 in december. >> you don't have to tell anybody. >> once you lie you look like an
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ass because they can go look it up. he's 50. i'm going to be 50 in december. >> i can't believe you're 50. >> once you celebrate it, once you do the reality show, write the book, or do a due wt album, you're done. it's over. you don't celebrate the relationship. god forbid someone gets sick, something happens, and, you know, i've been with him for, like, 19 years. i mean, this is it. as my mother would say, when she found out my father had another kid or she was cheating, where am i going to go? where am i going to go? >> my mother said the same thing. >> where am i going to go? >> i said, how about around the corner? >> my mother, liz -- liz, why don't you leave him? where am i going to go? i have no place to go. >> we'll have more with mario cantone after this. >> this is the most fun i've had since i don't know.
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i'm back with one of the men from "sex and the city," mario cantone. i have some questions from the viewers. from. >> from the viewers? >> yes. >> what would my fans like to know? >> here's what that really baffles me. they say, are you gay? >> that's hilarious. >> yeah. >> no, i love it. i just say this so i can get laid. i wish i was straight sometimes because chicks dig me. >> who would you date? that's another question. if you were straight, who would you date? >> i think -- i -- >> samantha, what's her name?
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kim cattrall. >> i know her. like, someone, like, alyssa malano i think is a beautiful girl. yeah, i -- >> you stick with your own kind, italian, right? now, this one says, i wonder how he learned to do liza impersonations. >> i learn to do liza minnelli when i sat with her and had a little dinner with her. >> what does liza think about -- >> like, everything is -- talk to me. >> so, liza -- >> yes. >> are you going to get married again? >> so, i'm doing this musical and it's so terrific. and it takes place in a -- it's so hilarious. we're singing and it's rocking and everybody turns over. pianos crush people. it's terrific. i have a great number. >> they want to know if you can do a wendy williams impression. >> how you doing? no, i really can't. i did her show and i love her.
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she's tall, though. >> very tall. she's been on the show. she's very great. who else do you want to do? let's do betty davis for a minute. >> let's do the sames of betty davis. i was watching this weekend, young betty davis. she had a brain tumor in it. she was dying. she was so hyper. she was like, ed, come quickly! they want to operate on my head. look, head, i'm wearing a beanie. they've operated on my head. quick. be my best friend. when i die have champagne and be gay. then she goes up the steps and she's going to die and says, i don't want anybody here. here, doggy, i'm going to die. get the dogs out of here. she lays down and it blurs and she's dead. yeah. so that's the young betty davis. >> when she got older and had a stroke. poor thing. >> the baby jane phase which is, like, are you enjoying yourself? yes, i am, jane. then you're an idiot.
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you don't eat your lunch, you don't get any din-din. that's that phase. >> and then -- >> she just kept going. she was like -- on the oscars when she was like, and the winner is -- paul newman! for "hannah and his sisters." >> he wasn't in that. >> exactly. he wasn't in that. but, yeah, it was "the color of money." >> betty davis and liza and judy, those are the gay icons. who are the new young gay icons? >> it's pathetic. >> madonna -- >> she's fine. it's good. >> who else? >> then it goes down hill. lady gaga? go out with that, bauecause she looks like a -- what's with the coconut donut around her head? >> thank you to mario and my
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guests. thanks for watching. good night, everybody.
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breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old missouri girl has a playdate, walks home, still daylight, only about 1,000 feet. never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. murder suspect tonight in custody. not a registered sex offender or a parolee. it's a 15-year-old girl. we confirm suspect is the big sister of elizabeth's little playmate.
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bombshell tonight. youtube and twitter uncover a previously well-hidden dark side to the 15-year-old accused child killer. listed hobby on her youtube profile? "killing and cutting." repeat. "killing and cutting." that's her hobby. this along with freakish video of suspect electrocuting herself and her little brothers on an electric fence. we have the video. >> stunning developments today in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. social networking sites are allegedly painting a dark portrait of the 15-year-old teen girl accused of murdering elizabeth olten. ♪ >> ah! >> the teen suspect's alleged youtube profile page lists her
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hobbies, including cutting and killing people. the youtube page also contains disturbing video allegedly showing the teen girl suspect giving herself shocks from an electrified fence on purpose, for fun. >> she killed for sport. she killed for a thrill. she's a cold-blooded psychopath. no remorse, no guilt. maybe she's watched one too many "slasher" films and says that's the kind of thing i want to do because that will give me the fun, which i don't get out of normal teen activities. >> she will remain at the youth detention center until the hearing that will determine if she'll be tried as an adult or not. and breaking news. live, ohio. cops raid the home of convicted rapist back on the streets. accused of yet another sex attack. once inside his three-story cleveland home seasoned detectives stunned to find women's bodies hidden throughout the home. bodies on every floor of the home. even stuffed in the crawl
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spaces. unsuspecting neighbors in shock over a killer living amongst them. >> right now six bodies recovered from a house of horror. the stench of death so strong, neighbors gagged whenever they went past this house. now we're finding out the guy who lives there is a convicted rapist. why didn't anyone notice? >> we've taken a confirmed three bodies out of the home. we've now with the assistance of the coroner's office removed what we believe are the remains of three additional victims. >> 50-year-old suspect, his name is anthony sowell, he served 15 years for rape before moving into that house in 2005. >> police found the bodies during an investigation into separate rape allegations. a woman said he attacked her in that house september 22nd. >> what investigators did was they called in the coroner's office. the coroner brought in a cadaver dog. the cadaver dog was able to go through the residence and to be able to find bodies in the crawl space and shallow graves outside the home and also just laying about.
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>> the coroner says it could take days, even weeks to i.d. the bodies. at least five of them were apparently strangled. and the sixth body is too decomposed to make a determination. >> bodies may have been there for weeks, months, possibly years. >> what we're seeing is these men that are on the sexual registry are continuing to abuse. i mean, this is a violent rapist. and he clearly is a sociopathic serial killer. also tonight, live, the florida panhandle, a newborn baby girl vanishes without a trace from her own home, halloween. tonight, who took baby shannon? >> investigators in the panhandle of florida need your help. they're looking for a 7-month-old girl who disappeared and may be in danger. >> breaking news.
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a florida missing child alert has been activated for 7-month-old baby girl shannon lea dedrick. police say shannon is believed to have gone missing between 3:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. saturday. shannon's parents say she was taken from their own home. >> sheriffs said nothing indicates she was abducted. but he also said she quote, didn't crawl or walk away. >> volunteers have come out to assist police. they've gone through, scoured wooded areas, cold through dumpsters. they've looked behind buildings, they've done everything to try to find this child. and unfortunately, she's not been found. >> investigators attack the immediate area with search teams and canine units, finding nothing. searches continue. just how did a 7-month-old baby girl simply disappear? good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl has a play date, walks home, still daylight, only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. tonight, the search for
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9-year-old elizabeth comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses away from her own home. murder suspect in custody. it's a 15-year-old girl. bombshell tonight. youtube and twitter uncover a previously well-hidden dark side to the 15-year-old accused child killer. listed hobby on her youtube profile? her hobbies are killing and cutting. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, found murdered after vanishing while walking a quarter mile home from a friend's house. >> the olten family knows this 15-year-old girl. >> the children played together. yes. >> her youtube profile and twitter page giving insight into the mind of the 15-year-old female murder suspect. a youtube page, allegedly from the 15-year-old female suspect, show her hobbies, including killing people and cutting.
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not only that, but a twitter page allegedly from the teen girl suspect contains disturbing quotes, including discussions of addiction and terrors. >> this is somebody who has an anti-social personality. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the kinds of things you that think a teenager would be doing. >> will this 15-year-old girl face adult trial on an adult trial on an adult crime? that crime, allegedly premeditated, planned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's playmate. straight out to ladd egan, news director with krcg. ladd, i'm stunned that i -- we have to find out more about this girl through youtube and twitter? what do we learn, ladd? >> well, nancy, the blogosphere is quite ahead of what the media's actually reporting just in what is being blogged about.
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and people came across her twitter page and also her youtube page. and twitter, it's now all been erased. maybe her attorney or her family was able to log in and erase those. but before they were erased -- >> guess what, ladd? i got it. i've got the twitter and the youtube and let me tell you, it's sick, weird, and twisted. go ahead. >> yes. and as well, we were able to print it out before it was deleted. now, she only tweeted around 13 times, and they, you know, cite some poets but also you could describe it as dark. she discusses addiction, terrors. she says she feels like she's in a cage and buried. but nothing -- you know, determining what is actually normal for teens, but it is definitely -- >> what is normal for teens? are you kidding me? what is normal for teens? describing as -- yourself as
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being buried in flesh above ground? i'm not a shrink. i'm not an m.d. i'm just a j.d. but i can tell you this much, ladd egan. that's not normal. let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, veteran prosecutor specializing in crimes on women and children, has prosecuted many death penalty cases, eleanor odom out of the atlanta jurisdiction. also out of atlanta, defense attorney peter odom. out of new york, defense attorney renowned in his jurisdiction, alex sanchez. okay. eleanor, give me best-case scenario. as a prosecutor, could i get this into evidence? this 15-year-old girl, if she's going to be treated like an adult, and we learned today that that decision will be held in open court, that's right, we'll be able to get into the courtroom and see what this girl is all about. can i get in the youtube and twitter if i can establish she actually posted it?
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eleanor? >> yes, you can, nancy. that's a simple evidentiary issue. you can get it in. it shows her state of mind. i think it's great for the prosecution. >> okay. peter odom, how do you plan if you're the defense attorney to keep this out? her hobbies are killing and cutting people. >> well, first of all, we want to see the whole thing, but we can't use this -- >> we want to see everything. not just little snippets that paint her as a bad person. >> be careful what you ask for. you will surely get it. i can't even report it all on air. okay? i've got it all right here. i can't report it all on air. >> what's not allowed is to try and just portray her as a bad person. if it's relevant to -- >> but what if that's what it shows? >> if that's what it shows, it's not admissible for that purpose. it's only admissible to show potentially her purpose if she's charged with first-degree murder but not just to portray her as a sick individual. >> alex sanchez, what about video that we have? let's show that, rosie.
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of her electrocuting not only herself but her little brothers on an electrical fence. this is from youtube. go ahead, alex. >> this may surprise you, nancy, but all this information you're talking about may actually be more helpful to the defense than it is to the prosecution. because if there's any type of mental defect defense then you're going to want to introduce this type of evidence before the jury, to establish that she's a very disturbed, seriously sick individual and should not be held accountable to the same degree as somebody else. >> okay. to you, cheryl mccollum, crime analyst, director of cold case squad pine lake pd. cheryl, you're seeing this video that she apparently set to music where she electrocutes not only herself but her little brothers. >> right. >> rosie, let's show some of the killers of the past. you know, if you take a look at many serial killers, you find out that they tortured other people, they tortured animals.
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>> right. >> and here you have her putting her little brothers on an electric fence. >> yeah. bottom line, if this is how they play, i want to see how they fight. >> everybody, we are taking your calls live. out to sharon in alabama. hi, sharon. >> caller: hi, nancy. i've had a problem bothering me from the first time i heard this case. i've heard of many a time on your show that it's so hard to move a dead body. and i'm just having a hard time picturing the 15-year-old girl getting little elizabeth out of the house and taking her that far without some help. >> that's a good question. rupa mikkilineni, exactly how far was the burial spot or the hiding spot of the body from the home? >> it was only a few hundred feet, nancy. but still, for a 15-year-old girl to carry another girl, 9-year-old girl that far, is pretty difficult to imagine. one theory that we're hearing is that maybe she lured the girl
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into the woods. >> so maybe that is actually the murder scene as well. good point, rupa. we'll all be back live taking your calls. as we go to break, send us your favorite family photos for our upcoming n.g. family album. go to cnn.com/nancygrace. and, everybody, at your request, here are the halloween photos of the twins. here's little lucy as a pirate and john david as a fireman. and he's holding his little dalmatian dog. he had a fire hat that went with it. we don't know what happened to that. but they happily terrorized the neighbors with lots of tricks on halloween night.
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every night hln's nancy grace brings you the real drama straight from the courtroom. >> every lawyer has a different version of what they would think justice is. >> tnt mondays. "raising the bar" is all new. >> to me justice is a jury rendering a verdict that speaks the truth. >> do you trust him? because that's what this cause comes down to. >> stephen bochco's "raising the
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bar," mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and pick up nancy's new book, "the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. is it rolling? >> yes. >> okay. i'm about to grab the electric fence with my hands. ♪ ah! >> the teen girl suspect's alleged youtube profile page lists her hobbies, including cutting and killing people. several messages from what was allegedly the teen's twitter page discusses topics such as addiction and terrors. those alleged messages have since been erased from the website. >> a 15-year-old committed the
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offense of murder in the first degree. >> if this crime is premeditated, she's going to be doing some adult time. >> have you ever had somebody go in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> there is no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client would get a fair trial once this name is released. and the facts of the case are released. >> b.s. even o.j. simpson got a fair trial and was acquitted in double murder. don't crank up that same old verse, second verse same as the first, we can't get a fair trial. this case is highly disturbing. a beautiful 9-year-old little girl in her own neighborhood goes to a playmate's house. she is murdered. never makes it home the 1,000 feet. broad daylight. behind bars, awaiting trial, not some convicted killer. not a sex offender.
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not an escapee or parolee. a 15-year-old girl. and tonight, her postings on youtube and twitter reveal a previously hidden dark side. we are taking your calls. to ann marie, illinois. hi, ann marie. >> caller: hi, nancy. the twins are growing up so much, and i want to -- >> can you believe it? >> caller: it's crazy. "the eleventh victim" is fabulous, and everybody needs to go buy that book. >> they're turning 2 on wednesday. >> caller: didn't close it. it was fabulous. nancy, my question is this. with the twitter page and the youtube video people that potentially followed her on twitter, did anybody not find this alarming and maybe tell their parents -- >> good question. pat brown, criminal profiler, what about ann marie in illinois' question? if i saw something like that on youtube or twitter, i would find it very disturbing. if i knew it was a minor, i
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would try to contact their family. >> well, i think ann marie's got a good point. what she's pointing out is we have a very disturbing teenage culture going on here. there's an anti-death culture where people are going on the net, looking at gore, looking at "slasher" films, going out to see "saw." when i was a teenager i saw "mary poppins," "romeo & juliet." but these kids are not seeing that, they're seeing a lot of gore and violence and getting obsessed with it. now, that doesn't make a non-psychopath do something like this, but it does take a psychopathic person lean toward violence get justification and say isn't that cool? and she gets really into it and nobody calls her on it and -- >> it's almost like she's bragging about it on youtube and twitter. >> absolutely. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. this 15-year-old will be in court in a couple of days to determine whether she will be treated as an adult on this murder charge. everybody, as you know, november, national alzer's
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the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate on if someone brought it to them or if they found it. and he said that note led them to find this juvenile and then
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it was that juvenile who led them to the body out in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile -- >> straight out to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. ellie, what can you tell me about the upcoming court date? will the cameras be open? typically with juveniles closed courtroom. >> right. well, this is the certification hearing. this juvenile will be certified for trial as an adult if the judge decides to do so. now, the judge has ordered that that hearing will be open to the public. however, he has prohibited either video or still cameras from that hearing. >> now, ellie, we talked about this earlier. the supreme court had a recent -- well, in the last five years, i believe, ruling that no longer in this country in any jurisdiction if you're under 18 are you death penalty eligible. now, in missouri, as i recall, it's a choice between gas
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chamber and lethal injection. >> that's right. >> that's quite a choice. but she won't face that, even if convicted. now, ellie, try to boil it down for me. if a juvenile is treated as an adult, if she gets life without parole, is there a chance when she turns 21 that she could walk free? yes/no? >> there is a chance, yes. >> okay. jeff gardere, psychologist, author of "love prescription," jeff, we need a shrink. weigh in. she's 15. have you seen these youtube and twitter sightings, her hobbies are cutting and killing? help me, jeff. >> yeah, i think when we look at this issue of cutting and killing i think perhaps she is probably cutting herself, killing animals. these are all of what we see being a sociopath or even a psychopath. i would say that something has happened. now, she's not the victim here. the real victim is elizabeth olten. but i would think -- >> the only victim -- >> right.
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>> -- is elizabeth. >> but something has happened to this young girl. we need to know more about her family. >> why? unless she is sert fie bli and legally insane, why do i care? are you trying to somehow create a defense for her? >> because she's a product of her environment. >> so? >> we need to find out where it comes from. >> but why? why do i need to know that, eleanor? >> you don't need to know that. all we need to know is she did it and she needs to suffer the consequences.
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grieving families are now joining cops outside a convicted rapist's home in cleveland, ohio. police say they could smell death just 15 feet from the door. six bodies scattered all over the home. >> the coroner says it could take days, possibly weeks to identify the bodies. at least five of them apparently were strangled. the sixth body is too decomposed to know how that person was killed. >> the 50-year-old suspect, anthony sowell, he served 15 years for rape before moving into the house in 2005. >> according to investigators, he was actually walking down the street when he was looking rather suspicious.
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he was wrapped sort of in a hood, and there was a gentleman who was driving by and noticed him. >> he looked at me real hard. and i had a chance, you know, to look at him real hard. i said that look like the dude that the police is looking for. >> once a violent sex offender, serial murderer, you know, he's not going to stop. so we have to look everywhere. six bodies in his own home. and here's somebody that would go on doing this from here to eternity in unchecked. >> i don't believe these individuals can be rehabilitated at all. i mean, i think we need to wake up as a society and they need to be put away for life. >> in the last half hour the suspect has been arrested in the fourth district and has been confirmed. a citizen came into the 4th district police station, stated that they saw the suspect on a street called manor. zone car responded to the area, located the suspect on mount vernon, placed him under arrest
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without any problems. he was taken into the district, fingerprinted and identified, and stated that he was the suspect. >> this man was living in his three-story home with multiple dead bodies. seasoned detectives go in, and they're going in -- he's a convicted rapist. they go in to arrest him on another rape that he allegedly did after he got out of his 15 years behind bars, and they find -- instead of finding him there, they find half a dozen, at least, dead bodies. dead bodies on every level of the home including stuffed in the crawl space. my prediction? there will be more. out to ken robinson with wtam 1100. ken, what happened? >> well, anthony sowell, a known sex offender who spent 15 years in prison, he was released in 2005, he served the maximum
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amount of time -- >> whoa. whoa. mr. robinson, hold on. >> yes. >> the man gets out in 2005. >> that's right. >> and in that space of time we already have half a dozen dead women in his home that we know of? and i'm predicting there's going to be more. he's done all that since 2005? >> since 2005. we're not sure when the alleged killing spree actually started. but he's been out of prison since 2005. he served his time. he served his maximum time -- >> that's four years. >> mm-hmm. >> in four years we've got at least six dead bodies. and once they start excavating that back yard, ken robinson, the lord in heaven only knows what we're going to find. i didn't mean to interrupt you. go ahead, ken. >> well, i was just going to jump in and say today cleveland police started going -- searching abandoned homes. this is a very depressed area. there's a lot of abandoned homes
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in the area. they started going inside homes, looking to see if the suspect left any evidence there or any other bodies there. so this probe may be expanding. >> with me ken robinson from cleveland, joining us from wtam 1100 a.m. lieutenant thomas stacho joining us, special guest joining us from cleveland. he is the p.i.o. with the cleveland police department. lieutenant, thank you for being with us. do we have any idea, lieutenant, who are these victims? >> well, we're working right now with the county coroner's office to identify the victims. we've asked people in the community to come forward with any information on missing persons. we've dedicated a number of our detectives at the fort district about a mile from where these bodies were found to take reports of missing persons. we're asking the public to come forward with identifying information, photos, biographical information.
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our detectives are interviewing those people and turning over our findings to the coroner's office. >> and i disagree with that banner you're seeing on the lower third. six missing women found dead. there's going to be more. there are going to be more than six women. out to ellie jostad, joining us. what was his m.o. that we know of? because in this case we actually have victims who lived to tell the tale, the women that he raped in the past and the woman he allegedly raped in september, which leads me to another question, ellie. he rapes her allegedly in september. why are police just going into his home in november? >> yeah. we don't know the answer to that question, nancy. but what we do know is that rape he was convicted of, this 1990 rape, the m.o. there, he lures this 21-year-old woman into his house to have a drink with him. she says that after they're in there he becomes angry, he punches her in the face, he begins strangling her with a
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cord. he rapes her. now, she managed to get away. there's another woman in the september rape who describes a very similar m.o. she runs into him on the street, he invites her to come drink with him. she says no, thank you. he punches her then, drags her back to the house. same thing, strangles and then allegedly rapes her. >> with me tonight, dr. howard oliver, joining us out of l.a. former deputy medical examiner, forensic pathologist. dr. oliver, thank you for being with us. doctor, assuming -- let's just assume the worst-case scenario that these bodies have been degenerating for the past four years. now, i don't believe that because there's a stench and if they were that long dead the stench would be gone by now. i'm guessing. but let's just say they're four years old. i've had a case -- i've had cases where bodies had been found a couple years later, and we had to use an artist reconstructionist to try and show the jury what the victim
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would have looked like in life. if these women have been dead four years, can we get a facial i.d. on them? is that possible? >> yes, it's definitely possible. most of the information you'd get with a body that deteriorated and that old would come from a forensic anthropologist, but you could, using anthropology, get a pretty good idea of what this person looked like. the stench would be gone. >> you're taking a look at some notorious serial killers. jeff dahmer. there you're seeing john wayne gacy, the clown killer. there's dahmer. there's ed gein. aileen wuornos. gein was infamous. wuornos killed a dozen men. then you've got the btk. the guy that worked at the dog pound. ted bundy of course the smooth-talking handsome killer. there's david berkowitz. they all have a lot of things in
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common. and this guy we're talking about tonight fits into that category. out to the lines. rebecca in louisiana. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: well, i want to know what is it that they didn't have him on parole or anything, they just let him go? >> good question. and hello to all of our cajun friends joining us tonight. back to ken robinson, wtam 1100. why was he out walking the street -- it's my understanding that law enforcement had been to his home to check up on him many times but they didn't have a warrant to go in. couldn't they smell what was inside? >> i guess there's two parts to that. two answers to that question. number one, he was out -- >> six dead women. >> six dead women. he was out because he served his 15 years and police could not go inside his home without a warrant, you know, for arrest or a warrant to search. so he complied with all the requirements that he was required to do, register as a sexual offender, notify police every 90 days of his
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whereabouts and police would come and check on him, and, yes, he would be at his home. >> well, there goes his insanity defense he could skrups youly adhere to the rules given to him. everybody, we're taking your calls live. seasoned detectives go into a three-story home, cleveland area, to find at least six dead bodies, all women. and we are predicting more. one of the most prolific serial killers of our times. very quickly to tonight's safety tips. you and your children, easy targets, shopping at grocery stores, strip malls, and malls. here are tips to avoid being targets. keep your eye on your children at all times, number one. don't leave them unattended in shopping carts, even just to go to the next aisle. be mindful of your pocketbook. don't leave it open. don't carry large amounts of cash. stay focused. stay off your cell phone. i know it's tempting. but it is a distraction. carry self-defense products like pepper spray. try your best to shop in
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daylight hours. i know that's hard. remember where you parked. even if you have to write it down on your parking ticket or on your checkbook like i have to do. and have your keys out when you go back to your car. children should know how to alert an employee or store security if they get separated from you. for more information go to fbi.gov.
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a 7-month-old baby girl is missing, and her parents say she vanished from her own home. police desperately searching for shannon lea dedrick. a florida child missing alert initiated. local, county, and state investigators converge on the scene. breaking news. just moments ago cops say they've identified a person of interest but won't reveal who. why? reports the parents' home still sealed by deputies looking for valuable evidence. >> investigators in the panhandle of florida need your help. they're looking for a 7-month-old girl who disappeared and may be in danger. the washington county sheriff's department says shannon lea dedrick vanished from her home on saturday and a statewide alert was issued late yesterday. her parents reported her missing. the sheriff said nothing
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indicates she was abducted. but he also said she, quote, didn't crawl or walk away. the girl is two feet tall, weighs 11 pounds and has brown hair and, as you can see, blue eyes. >> the child obviously did not walk or crawl out of the home. that's why i don't understand why the police are saying there's no foul play. you have a 7-month-old baby lying there asleep in the home. this is on halloween. now she's gone. look at this little baby. joining us, jay felsberg, managing editor "washington county news," joining us from florida. jay, what happened? >> well, as near as we can tell, from the amount of information that the sheriff's office has has released, the parents woke up at about 11:00 on saturday morning. and found the baby missing. by 11:23 they had contacted law enforcement, which in this case was the washington county sheriff's office. the home they live in is on brown street, and just outside
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the city limits of chipley. so it came under county jurisdiction. >> hold on. jay, let me stop you right there. with me, jay felsberg, "washington county news." have the participants taken polygraphs? >> not that i'm aware of. the -- >> jay, was there -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> that question was asked at a press conference this afternoon, and the sheriff declined to comment on the details of the investigation. >> okay. i don't like it. number two, was there any forced entry on the home? door, window, anything pried open? any marks, even? >> again, nothing was released at the press conference. i've gone out to the house. i didn't see any signs of forced entry personally. >> have the parents, jay felsberg, made any public pleas for the return of their little girl? >> none whatsoever. the sheriff said at the press conference he was acting as their agent and requesting assistance on their behalf. >> have they been on the press at all? >> no. >> what more can you tell me, jay?
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>> well, at the present time there's over 70 volunteers, officers and firefighters searching. they'll probably cut it off at dusk. they'll be resuming it again in the morning. they started out in an area right behind the house, a wood area. and they have continued to expand the search. so far no signs of anything. nothing really found by the special scent dogs or other search dogs or other searchers. >> jay, it doesn't look good at all. >> no, it does not. >> jay felsberg joining me. clark goldband, what can you tell me? >> investigators have a broad timeline they're working with here and it's because according to reports the parents went to sleep around 3:00 a.m. and didn't wake up until about 11:00 a.m. when they called law enforcement. it's about an eight-hour time window and it's not exactly clear when shannon was taken. >> wait a minute, they're trying to tell me that a 7-month-old baby sleeps through the night?
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right, clark? that's directed to you. i know you don't have any children, clark, but that's their story? they didn't wake up all night long? now i'm really having a hard time with this. >> according to reports, they woke up 11:00 a.m., noticed the child was gone, and called the cops. >> why were they awake at 3:00 a.m.? what were they doing at 3:00 a.m.? >> we don't know. >> what do you know, jay felsberg, why were they up at 3:00 a.m.? >> that's a good question. and once again, that information has not been released. and there were a number of questions asked at the news conference. sheriff haddock was very circumspect about providing any details of the investigation because he says basically because it's under way. >> jay, do they have -- does the little girl have any siblings? shannon lea dedrick. 7 months. she's only 11 pounds. look at her. any siblings? >> not that we're aware of. >> so this is the only baby in the home? is this the mother's first baby? >> correct. >> we're taking your calls live. out to laurie in new york. hi, laurie. >> caller: hi, nancy. hi, eleanor. it's nice to see you back. >> you know, let's take a look at eleanor right now, everybody. eleanor odom is back with us.
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just a very few brief days after her marriage, beautiful, beautiful marriage. she feels bad when she's working out in the morning, goes to have her heart checked out, does a stress test. they don't let her go home. she has just survived open heart surgery. and you look great. >> thank you. thanks, everyone, for your prayers. >> okay, laurie. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i have a question in two parts. the baby, does it -- does she have any health problems? i know she's 7 months, but only 11 pounds. and has the cops tested to see if any of the parents are having extramarital affairs and maybe they can be suspects as well? >> good question, lori in new york. i'm trying to think back. little lucy was born at only two pounds. and i can't remember how long it took her to get to 11 pounds. clark goldband, what do we know? >> an aunt has spoken out in the
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press, nancy, saying that in fact shannon has a larger than average head size and this is something her mom apparently passed down to her. so the aunt is saying that it will be quite -- >> she doesn't look unusual to me. just looks like a regular baby to me. all babies' heads look big, clark. >> well, this is what the aunt has said in press reports. and the aunt is also saying that this should make it easier to identify her if you see shannon. >> she looks like a little angel. okay. to the lawyers. eleanor odom, peter odom, alex sanchez. alex, weigh in. what do you i? >> before you mentioned that you didn't think the police mentioned that there was no foul play. i think they are alleging foul play. they seem to be pointing fingers directly at the parents because if you say the kid did not get up and walk away by himself and that there was no evidence of anybody breaking in, what are you saying? so i think they're focusing their attention on the parents. >> i'm saying the facts that i know. peter odom, weigh in. >> well, let me tell you, nancy, the police are being very circumspect about this but they're probably letting the parents lay low and maybe seeing
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if they'll make a wrong move. it's a common investigative technique. >> eleanor? >> i would actually agree with that, nancy, and i think it's real important to look at the people who are closest people c child first. the parents and whoever had access. >> quick break and we are taking your calls. happy birthday to a mom of a 15-month-old baby girl and loves going to church and wants to be a correctional officer. happy birthday, beautiful. happy 70th to twin sisters emily and eileen. eileen was a flight nurse for 20 years including vietnam. she loves antiques, her twin, emily, the first female commercial airline pilot and captain in the country. they are best friends and after years apart love living near each other. happy birthday, emily and eileen. thank you, verizon for
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supporting the atlanta victim and witness assistance program. supporting victims in every way as they make a traumatic and painful journey in the judicial system. the program established in atlanta when i was a prosecutor and still going strong. verizon, thank you.
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an intense search right now for a 7-month-old baby. little shannon beat rick was reported missing halloween day by her parents, but it doesn't appear to be a kidnapping. >> we are appealing to the public in this area, if they have seen any suspicious activity or someone is carrying a baby, they would give us a call. >> welcome back. this 7 month old baby allegedly taken out of the home. although police are saying no foul play.
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denise in alabama, hi. >> caller: i love your show. >> thank you for calling, dear. what was your question? >> caller: there was no forced entry in the house? >> not that we know of. go ahead with your question. >> caller: the parents went to bed at 3:00? what time did they put the baby down? >> mine are almost 2 and they are both up saying let's play. clark, it's not fitting together for me. this is a cursory hearing of the story. we are just getting into it. they go to bet at 3:00 a.m. and even if they were awake until 3:00 with the baby, i never know of a baby that would sleep until 11:00 or 11:30. babies don't sleep in. >> these are the questions we have been asking. law enforcement is tight-lipped and there have been reports mom was down at the police station
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talking with them voluntarily. >> 30 seconds left. why are police being so tight-lipped? >> that's a good question. i don't know what kind of evidence they have. once again they have been circumspect about releasing it. at the moment i wouldn't care to speculate, but they are conducting an intense investigation. >> shannon beat rick, 2 feet tall and 11 pounds. let's stop and remember navy s.e.a.l. lieutenant michael murphy from new york. a penn state grad and turned down law schools to enlist. awarded purple heart and the country's highest award. lost his life under heavy fire. shot twice and crawled on to radio hq for help.
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loved hockey, reading, book gates of fire. leaves his parents and brother john. michael murphy, american hero. thanks to our guest and especially to you for being with us. become back, eleanor. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. i'm brooke anderson. here's what's coming up at the top of the hour. jon gosselin's public apology to kate. a rabbi side by side with jon right here. a disturbing new anna nicole caught on tape shocker. anna nicole smith mistaking her
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pregnancy for gas. we start at the top of the hour here on hln. next on "showbiz tonight,"
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jon gosselin pleads for kate's forgiveness and the anna nicole shocker at the 207 of the hour.

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